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    Posted: 11/March/2009 at 21:39
Dear Brothers n respected sisters Desperate to seek help!

A bit of back ground, im Pak national married to aussie national born in Pak. We go married LY jan based on the condition that after marriage they should not expect me to leave pakistan and live in australia. They were ok, after hardly 5 months and being pregnant she started manipulating things....after a couple of arguments she left pakistan w/o informing me....they were out of touch until my child was born...one of the key reason for her to leave Pak was...she wanted to avail 4-5k AUD maternity allowance...which i totally disagreed as father n family being there at the time of birth is priceless....

The baby is now 4-5 months...an aussie national...and she is not interested to come back....i need help...if i think of coming to australia...how wrong she can go against mebeing male...how can she further drag me....and incase if i want to leave her then what are the implications....

She is trying to keep me in a limbo...she says if i come to Australia...she is ready to live with me...and if i dont come...then she will not give me my child
My wish is to get my child...i know its difficult...but that wat I want....your guidance, help will make a difference to my life..


A few informations
my marriage is as per paki law
My wife is muslim n lives in Perth WA
I have a good career job here in pak
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  Quote Aisha92 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14/March/2009 at 17:52
Islamic marriage then?
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  Quote kaz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15/March/2009 at 21:29
hi, I beleive the marriage was in pak and it was as per islamic/ pakistani law...
First try to sort out the issue by negotation, as per my understanding the child custody up to certain age is with mother by both the law (Pak + Aust).
As far as dragging is concern, as this amrriage was held over seas you can end this marriage over seas and according to 1975 Family law, section 104, over seas divorce is accepted in aust.
But to get 5 or 6 months child back from a mother is gona be a very difficult job.
But you can contact family law courts and see how it goes, enquiries@familylawcourts.gov.au or get legal advice.
Good luck.

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  Quote Andrew.nsw Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15/March/2009 at 23:32
Hi,
Sorry to hear about your case. I know how hard it is not to have your child with you.
I have had clients in the past, who have had similar cases as yours.

You asked: “if i think of coming to australia...how wrong she can go against me being male...how can she further drag me....and incase if i want to leave her then what are the implications....”

Firstly, since you were married in Pakistan and the marriage was registered there, it is legally recognised as a valid marriage even under the Australian Law. Because you are her husband under laws of both countries, you have rights equal to any other Australian citizen under the Australian laws. She cannot go against you just because you are a male!! There is no such bias in the courts system here. The law is equal for all.
I assume you haven’t done anything terribly wrong, eg criminal acts. I assume your negotiations are informal at the moment, and the court is not involved (and that’s even a more positive sign for you- meaning: you will NOT be wronged, since you are not in the legal dispute). Everything is informal and the negotiations between you two are taking place (as you mentioned).
But it is natural, that the mother would be given more preference over the father regarding child custody. However there have been cases where the father HAS gotten custody of the child (this depends on lots of factors).

Secondly, the question of her further ‘dragging you’, I am not sure what you exactly mean by that. But if you mean regarding involving you in court case, then that is not an issue, you have nothing to fear. Australian laws also cater to fathers a lot. Like someone else mentioned here, have a read of the Family Law 1975 especially section 7, as that relates to your child’s case. Here is the link:

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/fla1975114/index.html
   

Lastly as for divorce, divorce in Australian legal system is given only if both of you have been Separated for more than a year. So if you come to Australia, it would mean that the separation time between you two would have decreased, therefore reducing the likelihood of divorce and this would work in your favour as a father where your child is concerned.
It would also show that you have spent time with your child, giving support etc, being involved in your child’s life etc, thus further strengthening your case in what’s in the ‘child’s best interest’ according to Family Law Section 7, division 1, 60CA.

In conclusion I would say that you coming to Australia would strengthen your case. It would actually work in your favour since that would show your involvement in your child’s life and welfare. You have equal standing in your marriage under the Australian law. You have solid legal standing.
Best of luck,
Regards,
Andrew.


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  Quote Aisha92 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16/March/2009 at 11:43
Brother, Salaam alikam.
Ok, Islamic law your wife is in the wrong and if you took it to Pakistan courts she'd probally loose the right to have her child.

What she has done is Haram in In ISLAM and Allah is angry with her until she comes home to her husband,
You can do what you want divorce her or if she comes back give your forgivness.

Australian law will not notice your rights under islamic law.
Either you can choose to divorce her once or twice or 3 times.
once or twice after the period of time(menses) you can take her back either saying 'itake you back as my wife' or have sexual intercourse, if you divorce her 3 times that's it.
You cannot marry her again unless she marries another man and they divorce.

The best thing to do brother is to talk to an Alim or Sheikh in your country and then talk to an Islamic lawyer in Pakistan.
There is a Lawyer in Pakistan that is registered to this site here is his profile.
http://www.aussielegal.com.au/forum/member_profile~PF~7883.htm
inshallah things will work out
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  Quote sam786 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16/March/2009 at 16:49
Im extremelty thankful for your kind responses and detailed guidance....seems like there are still great ppl left in this world.....thanks from the bottom of my heart....


Now im in a catch 22 situation....from religious point of view what she has done is haram...but the law still gives the chance to negotiate...well islam also advocates that...!

She was one girl i was not happy with to be honest...she used to throw tantrums n criticize on every thing...though i never asked to work....she was a houswife but she never ever even served me a glass of water....she was living with me as if she was living in a guest house seriously....and she was very adamant and in hurry to cincieve...as if she had sometihng to achieve...she used to even cry....to take me in pressure...it was just when she got pregnant she sarted showing true colors....

When she left she fled with valueables n clothes....we lodged a complain about her and her family in police.....but by that time they wrapped, packed and left from pakistan....as if the marriage was joke.


Now she hold no place in my heart because she has opted to step out of my life herself...even the thought of living with her gives me night mare because i have lost trust on her....she is bold enough to take any step in future as well....the dirtiest role was played by her parents....when my parent started negotiation...the openly said that they have nothing to do with it....and will not advise her to take any steps.....now here comes the principle conflict....as mine was a typical arranged marriage...decided by the elders and when things are going wrong ...her parents have chickened out...

They are giving me too much pain...the dont give me the contact number, nor the address as i wanted to send some stuff for my infant child....they send me my son's pics after 2 months.......and my brother in law called me once and told me that they will not let my son to come to pakistan.....who is he to decide about my childs living....


Dear brothers and sisters I am really worried as my personal and work life is being disturbed,....as im thinking about this matter all the time....i have no relative in Australia.... and I dont trust my in laws as they by tring to call me to australia...can get me caught me in a false charge....
Your guidance and help will give me a better direction to lead....i have no space for her left in my life....i just want my son back whom she is not willing to hand over me any time in future....bmy only worry is how will they take care of my son....and probably poison him against me.....


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  Quote sam786 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16/March/2009 at 17:39
as my in-laws are dual nationals and my marriage happened in pakistan, can i go to local family court in pakistan? should i go for international decree? does pakistani court decision have validity in australia? will she be bound.....????
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  Quote CH. EJAZ LAWYER Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17/March/2009 at 05:07
Salam,
        Dear brother you should reconciliate. According to the Pakistani Law you can file a suit against her of "Conjugal Rights". According to the Pakistani law you have right that your wife live with you and you can enforce it. But when you will use your rights she will file divorce ( Khulla ) in Pakistan. So, Its better to you dont take any action against her. You should work with patience. You should not give divorce to her. You should give her time may be she will come to the right Path. According to the Pakistani Law you can not get your child untill for son 5 years age and for daughter 7 years age.
        I am a Pakistani Lawyer if you want to ask me anything feel free to contact me. Thank You
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  Quote CH. EJAZ LAWYER Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17/March/2009 at 05:22
Pakistan Court decisions recognized internationally. In your matter you can not get child untill 5 years. So dont file case and waste your money and time before 5 years. Thank You
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  Quote sam786 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17/March/2009 at 16:16
but i cant just wait forever? because she is very firm for not coming back....im more interested in child!
What can happen if i remarry?
I dont even know their address in Australia...and none of their blood relative is here in pakistan....thay all ran back to australia....

We only talk on phone...and she says she is never going to come back to pakistan ever....if i go to pakistan family courts then will the australian govt be bound to send her back....please explain thanks
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  Quote sillysilly Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17/March/2009 at 16:21
They won't send her back. Not sure what CH is saying about 5 yrs, certainly not an Australian law. You really need to see a lawyer in Pakistan who can assist you with international child custody and as soon as possible. The longer you go without seeing your child the less likey you will get any kind of primary custody.

No one is going to be able to give you adefinitive answer on this forum. You need to see a lawyer in this area now.
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  Quote CH. EJAZ LAWYER Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17/March/2009 at 17:06
sillysillly i am a Lawyer from Pakistan telling him according to the Pakistani Law.
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  Quote CH. EJAZ LAWYER Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17/March/2009 at 17:10
sam brother i will discuss your matter with other lawyers and INSHAH ALLAH give you valueable advice. Thank You
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dear Ejaz....thanks a bunch.....looking forward to your valueable reply...tc
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  Quote CH. EJAZ LAWYER Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27/March/2009 at 07:00
Sorry brother you can not get child according to the Pakistani Law in (Khazanet Period). That is for son 5 years and for girl 7 years. You should contact with Autralian Lawyers. I will see Australian Law about child custody for you. If i will find any good news i must share with you.
You should file your case in Australia not in Pakistan.
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              Irfan Aleem      VS        Farah
                   Maryland ( United States )

(May. 02, 2008) On May 6, 2008 the Maryland Court of Appeals declined to recognize a Pakistani "talaq" divorce, holding that the practice conflicted with Maryland public policy and the Maryland Constitution.

Farah and Irfan Aleem, citizens of Pakistan, were married in Pakistan in 1980, but have resided in Maryland for the past 20 years. Farah filed for divorce in Maryland. Her husband Irfan filed an answer in which he raised no jurisdictional objections. Before proceedings were complete, and without notifying his wife, he visited the Pakistani Embassy in Washington, D.C., and there performed talaq, an Islamic divorce practice which has been incorporated into Pakistan's secular law. Only a male is allowed to perform talaq unless he grants the right to his wife. Irfan claimed that under the law of Pakistan, talaq removed jurisdiction over the divorce proceedings from Maryland's courts.

The Court of Appeals examined both Maryland and federal precedent on the issue of comity with other nations' laws, finding that judgments of foreign states need not be recognized as valid if they are contrary to public policy. The court then noted the contrast between Pakistani and Maryland law regarding property division: in this case, under Pakistani law the wife would get nothing, while under Maryland law, she might be entitled to up to one half of two million dollars. In addition, the Maryland Constitution contains a provision requiring equality of the sexes under the law, which is violated by the talaq procedure. The court noted a further constitutional problem: a wife could never be guaranteed access to due process of law during divorce proceedings if the husband could, without notice, terminate the proceedings by visiting the Pakistani embassy and performing talaq.

The court found the Pakistani statutes recognizing talaq divorce conflicted with the public policy of Maryland, and declined to afford comity to them. (Aleem v. Aleem, No. 108, Sept. Term 2007 (Md. May 6, 2008),
     

        This case will clear your mind. Foreign Decision will not accepted if it conflict with Local Laws.
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  Quote sam786 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02/April/2009 at 15:34
hi ejaz....

thanks for sending the reference....but dont you think my case is different? im living in pakistan and has never been there......where as in the reference the couple lived together in US for 20 year.....our marriage happened in Pakistan not in australia....and is not registered there....?

If i simply want to divorce her....cant I send my papers from pakistan....? ur guidance needed
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  Quote CH. EJAZ LAWYER Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02/April/2009 at 21:47
You can send Divorce Paper. Here is the foreign divorce Law.
             Family Law Act 1975 Australia
Family Law Act 1975_ Section 104 deals with foreign divorce, according to this section Foreign divorce will be valid and recognized legal in Australia.
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  Quote CH. EJAZ LAWYER Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02/April/2009 at 21:50
According to the Guardian and Wards Act ( Pakistan ) You can not get child upto 5 years.
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  Quote nadia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07/April/2009 at 04:26
i think you should see your son before divorce, because then you can never have his custody. she cant do anything to you here because you not aussie. The worst case scenario if anything you will be respectfully deported. does she want divorce?
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