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QuoteReplyTopic: Small business- shareholder removal? Posted: 16/March/2010 at 01:19
I am the sole director of a company. It is a small proprietary company with 2 x $1 shareholders, both myself and shareholder X. At the time of starting the company, I was in a relationship with shareholder X. We broke up a year ago. I have been solely running the company since this time and he has been almost entirely a passive shareholder both during and after the relationship. Despite my requests, he is refusing to sign over this $1 to me.
I understand that I cannot remove him as a shareholder without his consent. The company has made losses over its initial years but finally made a profit last year. It has assets, a medium term lease, but all of its debts are to myself as I have personally injected funds to get the business up and running and seek expansion options.
I would like to end any association with shareholder X. If Shareholder X does not sign over the share, what are my options for the company ? Am I forced to end the company and if I decide to, how do I move, sell or transfer the assets that I am using in the current company across to a new company ?
I have limited cash flow to pay extensive legal advice so clarifying my options and situation would sincerely appreciated
An option which I think is right for you is to start a new company in totally under your control. Cease trading as such in the "old" company and start trading in the new company. Be careful of how you do it but you can advise your current customers that you are starting a new company which is streamlining its services "blah blah" and just start new accounts etc in the new company name. Let the other Comapny die a natural death as at the mopment it would appear from what you say that the other shareholder is happy to let you run the company. This all depends on the value of assests etc but if you have sole control (and you better make sure you do) you can sell the assets to another comapny, then resign from the initial comapny slipt the value of the company and withdraw yourself from the register including the ASIC Company Register. That will leave the other party with a half share and the capacity to run the company and it will mean you probably giving up the value of "the company". Yopu may wish to register your new company etc first before you tell the other party you are going to resign. Make sure you as a Director dont have creditor guarantees in place that run after your resignation date if you go down this track.
You need to consider carefully the terms of any shareholder agreement and/or the company's constitution, if any.
As to Lionheart's advice, be very careful! Starting a new company and then referring clients from the existing company will almost certainly be a breach of your duty as a director.
Whilst you cannot force the other shareholder to sell his shares, you could possibly (as the sole director), start a new company and then sell the underlying business to the new company. This would have to be done for a fair price, (establishing the fair market price would likely require an external valuation of the business and could be expensive), but you must be careful not to breach your duties as a director under the Corporations Act as to do so may result in both civil and CRIMINAL issues. You absolutely should only explore this option with the assistance of a lawyer.
The better option, in my view, is to negotiate to buy your former partners shares. They are obviously worth something to you, and even if the business has little or no value without your constant input, you should be willing to pay something.
On the other hand, the other shareholder would be silly not to agree to accept a reasonable offer, as you, as the sole director, can make life uncomfortable for them. For example, you could, as the sole director of the existing company, determine to pay yourself a generous, but commercially justifiable wage for your work running the business, direct profits into the repayment of your loans to the company, so ensuring that no actual dividends will be payable to the shareholders for a considerable time. You could also decide to issue new shares which would require you both to buy more shares or reduce your relative shareholding (which will raise capital and forces shareholders to either buy more shares or reduce their relative shareholding in the company, which may affect control).
Most of the above actions, however, should only be considered with the assistance of formal legal advice as if done improperly, you could easily commit a crime or at least expose yourself to civil litigation.
Proceed carefully, and remember that in business, a negotiated outcome is usually the cheapest and most satisfactory.
Edited by Excaliburman - 16/March/2010 at 12:41
This is just my off the cuff opinion, and is not legal advice. If you decide to act on this opinion, you do so at your own risk and no responsibility is accepted
I agree with you Excaliburman "proceed with care" and so long as you do you will be fine. As for purchasing the other share it would appear from your initial post that the other shareholder is not receptive to signing over that share and may hold out for an unrealistic offer. If you have resigned as a Director then you may approach whomsoever you like without breaching your responsibilities as a Director of the Company you were formerly a Director of.
My concern with that approach is simply that s.183(1) of the Corporations Act includes:
"A person who obtains information because they are, or have been, a director or other officer or employee of a corporation must not improperly use the information to:
(a) gain an advantage for themselves or someone else..."
"Information" likely includes client lists and client contact details.
This is just my off the cuff opinion, and is not legal advice. If you decide to act on this opinion, you do so at your own risk and no responsibility is accepted
I appreciate that also Excaliburman, although I dont feel that possible client contact falls within that section of the Act as it is a daily occurrence that clients are approached by competitors without that being an improper approach. I take your point that "A person who obtains information because they are, or have been, a director or other officer or employee of a corporation must not improperly use the information to:" but I dont see it as improper use.
Thank you so much for your responses, I'm starting to see that there are other courses that I had been unaware of.
Some further info if it may help:
1. The company name is not the same as the trading name, so clients would in fact not even know of the changeover if I were to transfer companies, as the brand would remain the same.
2. He is unwilling at this stage to transfer the share over, and I have had no choice but to assume it is not negotiable as he has not named a price.
3. Just to clarify, are you saying that I can sell the assets of the company at fair market value to a newly created company, or is it that I would need to sell the business to the new company at fair market value?
As to the fair value of the business, presently the assets of the company are less than the debt owed to me personally as the sole creditor of the company. It has been operating at losses and this year is just starting to generate profit. I suspect that the fair market value of the company is not overly high but take the point that it would still require an external valuation.
I'm wondering if the above factors alter your opinions on the way ahead - any more insight would be useful before I seek formal legal advice!
1 the trading name being different than the compnay name is immaterial if you start a new company and try and trade with the same name you have a serious breach of directors duty not to mention a breach of the trade practices act.
2 well get him to name a price that is your best bet.
3 if you sell assets out of the company the other shareholder can sue you for breach of duty, that is also a breach of the act in several sections.
You cannot sell all the assets out of a company without the approval of the other shareholder he is a 50% shareholder and any major asset sale will need a shareholders resolution
I see people get into these partnerships all the time and trying to get out of the company "partnership" underhandedly is an extremely bad idea.
Your best bet as excalibur has said is to negotiate a sale of the remaining share to you if not your treading on extremely thin ice.
Relevant sections include section 232 minority shareholder oppression
section s246d unfair prejudice s456 variation and cancellation of shareholders rights
Edited by rambler1 - 17/March/2010 at 01:08
Luke 11 46: Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! For you load men with burdens that are difficult to carry, and you yourselves won't even lift one finger to help carry those burdens.
In relation to the further information you have provided:
1. Even were the business name the same as the existing company name, it would still be possible to register the business name, then change the existing corporate name before transferring the business, so as to effect the transfer of the business name.
2. The mere fact that he has refused to transfer his shares over does not justify the conclusion that he won't transfer them over if a suitable offer is made. He probably has less idea what they are worth than you and as such is reluctant to make an offer himself. As a precursor to making an offer, I think you should explain your position, and the position of the company, including:
a) that the company is in marginal financial shape and in view of its debts, is of negligible value.
b) that you are not prepared to continue running the business if he is to remain a shareholder, and therefore propose that either he sells you his shares or buys yours. Ask him to make an offer to buy yours, if his offer is high you might accept it. If it is low, perhaps tell him you'll buy his at that price (since that is what he considers a fair price).
c) if a sale cannot be agreed, then you will have to take steps to sell the business in order to pay back the company loans.
If he is not willing to sell or buy you out on acceptable terms, a further possible alternative (depending on the nature and length of your relationship with this other shareholder) might be to consider an application under the applicable law relating to property settlements for defacto relationships (which varies from state to state) or for marriages. Generally, the courts attempt to distribute assets of a relationship in a way which separates the parties financially. Limitation periods may vary so you should consider this option ASAP if you think it may be necessary.
3. The business and all property associated with it, are assets of the company, and conceptually, can be traded/sold, just like a person can sell a car.
Edited by Excaliburman - 17/March/2010 at 13:23
This is just my off the cuff opinion, and is not legal advice. If you decide to act on this opinion, you do so at your own risk and no responsibility is accepted
It may be best if you feel comfortable in providing a little more information lucy. What do you think the other shareholder would do if you just stopped trading and resigned as a Director?
I agree with excalibur excpet that a director that sells the majority of assets out of a company to a related company controlled by the director even at arms length would definitely be seen as a breach of duty.
The shift in asset sale would be considered as an attempt to transfer the underlying business to a separate entity controlled by the director and therefore a breach of his duties and an attempt to defraud the other shareholder
Luke 11 46: Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! For you load men with burdens that are difficult to carry, and you yourselves won't even lift one finger to help carry those burdens.
Im not advocating the sale of assets to a company controlled by either Director, what I am advocating is if the "silent" shareholder dose not wish to trade/wokr for the current company then the only director can sell the assets to a third party but the company would still retain the value of the assets or the finances from those assets. Getting back though to forcing the hand of the silent shareholder, why not approach that shareholder and tell them you are no longer going to operate the company, see how he reacts.
Rambler I am NOT advocating shifting assets just confronting the silent shareholder with a view to selling the assets in an arms length process to force his hand. If there is only one Director and one employee this occurs as a matter of fact daily in any business, maybe no all assets but certainly some assets.
Thanks again for all the responses. More info below:
(i) I own a business that sells services. The only assets of the company are some equipment that is used in provision of the service. (ie similar to a personal trainer running a business and owning some gym equipment and then needing to sell the gym equipment to start a new company). The service provided is the main "asset" in the company. Would selling this equipment even at an arm lengths price to a new company, still be considered a breach of shareholder duties ?
(ii) As for how the other shareholder would react if i told him that I was going to stop operating the business, he wouldn't care. The company operates on a spexed service I provide, and if I resign, it wouldn't be able to continue running. My brand is extremely crucial to the business due to the level of my spexation and I thus do not want to lose the business either.
(iii) Also, one of the reasons that I set up the company with 2 $1 shareholders was that I had understood that I required two shareholders to start up a proprietary company. IF he is willing to transfer his share to me, am I able to be a sole director and sole shareholder as well ?
From all the above, I'm hearing that:
- the best and only option is to negotiate to buy his share if we can come to an equitable agreement (highly unlikely)
Failing this,
- It seems my hands are tied
- my chances of being able to retain my trading name appear to be pretty slim, since the actions I have been advised above all seem to be a breach in some way or other of my directors duties
- also, even if I do set up a new company, it looks like I would not be able to sell my assets to that new company as he is a 50% shareholder and it needs his approval plus it is also a breach of duty
- if I resign as the director and the company ceases trading, I don't have a business to operate since the business relies on services that i provide. Sure i could open a new business, but i would no longer have the brand I have established, plus the lease is in the company's name as well.
Thus I am struggling to see a way forward if i cannot negotiate an outcome.
This forum is not an alternative to getting legal advice. What you get here are opinions, some informed, some not so informed, some misinformed. They often differ and that usually reflects the fact that issues like this can be complicated and involve legal risks (business ventures often do). Sometimes people are trying to give you the strict legal answer, and others, the practical 'business' answer. They are not always the same.
A negotiated outcome is almost certainly the best option, but as the sole director you are in a position to control the company and can explore the various options previously proposed (re-read the previous posts). Pursue a settlement and worry about the other options if that doesn't work. Remember, there are other options, they are just a little more complicated and if you are prudent, require advice. Re-read the above posts.
Edited by Excaliburman - 18/March/2010 at 11:24
This is just my off the cuff opinion, and is not legal advice. If you decide to act on this opinion, you do so at your own risk and no responsibility is accepted
Lucy you may certainly operate a Pty Ltd Company as the sole shareholder I do it now for my own Pty Ltd Company although I have 10 shares (makes no diff).Are you able to elaborate on the Brand, I suppose from what you say it is owned by the company and the other party is just uncooperative for the sake of it?
If the other shareholder has no intention of taking you to court and litigate the outcome its really does not matter what you do, you can do anything you kind of like.
Its only if he decides that he is goig to get nasty and spite you that he can make it difficult for you.
Look at your situation and even if he remains a shareholder what excalibur says still applies just make sure there is little profit i.e pay it out in a salary to yourself so theres no undecalred dividends so if he does not want any cash and does not care he can remain a sharholder as long as he likes it won't affect you.
you can be a single shareholder and director in a company.
Luke 11 46: Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! For you load men with burdens that are difficult to carry, and you yourselves won't even lift one finger to help carry those burdens.
thank you for all the advice. I will be trying a few ways to negotiate an outcome with the shareholder as well as seeking formal legal advice next week. Your input has been fantastic and has made me so much clearer on a multitude of matters. I appreciate it.
This is just my off the cuff opinion, and is not legal advice. If you decide to act on this opinion, you do so at your own risk and no responsibility is accepted
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