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    Posted: 26/March/2019 at 00:32
Hello, I'd like to know what the legal liabilities are for me if I were to do any of the following:

1. Allow a scammer to get access to my virtual machine upon their request, they download a trojan my computer had which grants me access to their pc.
2. The scammer grants me access to their PC and I put the trojan on their PC myself and run it.
3. Number 2 and then I go into their chatbox and tell everyone to download and run the file assuming they do it.
4. They grant me access to their computer and I download their files.

Assuming this was recorded and in the recording, there was evidence of them being scammers attempting fraud.

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  Quote jaazzz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26/March/2019 at 09:24
Originally posted by Protato

Hello, I'd like to know what the legal liabilities are for me


Are you a police officer carrying out an authorised undercover operation? I'm guessing not,

In essence what you contemplate here is illegal, fraudulent activity itself.. The fact that you assert the targets MAY be acting illegally themselves & then perhaps justifying in your own mind that you are doing society a service is irrelevant & not a defence..

Vigilante activity is discouraged & penalised.

Authorities that carry out these sorts of operations to catch illegal activity of any sort have to do so in accordance with very strict guidelines, partly to avoid counterclaims of baiting, & partly because if any prosecution is going to be successful the rules of evidence have to be adhered to 100% in accordance with law



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  Quote Protato Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26/March/2019 at 12:32
Yes however there was 2 things in particular I was reading up about. It can be considered assisting police of some sort of I were to in this instance, download the scammer's victim's data, contact them and tell them they were scammed, call them back to try get their actual money back as well as gather information around the scammer's organisation (as they pretend to be other organisations usually), get their IP, location etc and report it to authorities. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I also read up that the conditions may be different if they've given permission at least once to access their machine. There's someone who also does this in the UK with a large amount of views and subscribers who hasn't gotten into any legal issues. Each scammer would of course be in India. Would each and every one of those statements be illegal? Even if the scammer downloaded the file from my computer and ran it? (I wouldn't be distributing or redistributing the trojan but would still have access). I've never really heard of a case where an Indian scammer has charged any scambaiters before (as they'd likely be investigated and charged/imprisoned for Fraud) but I'd ask to be in the clear anyhow.

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  Quote jaazzz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27/March/2019 at 09:02
Originally posted by Protato

Yes however there was 2 things in particular I was reading up about. It can be considered assisting police of some sort of I were to in this instance, download the scammer's victim's data, contact them and tell them they were scammed, call them back to try get their actual money back as well as gather information around the scammer's organisation (as they pretend to be other organisations usually), get their IP, location etc and report it to authorities.

Don't know where you have read this, however as per my previous post, if your intention is to assist police then there are very strict rules around gathering of evidence that has to be adhered to if charges & a successful prosecution is to take place... Not to mention the jurisdiction of the offender in the first place.

Bear in mind also that any data or content that you download onto your machine is in your possession.. You may finish up with child x, extremist content, or who knows what... Consider also that the real authorities have their own monitoring & tracking software.. Even if you subsequently delete the stuff, you may still get a knock on your door & a please explain months or years later.   

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I also read up that the conditions may be different if they've given permission at least once to access their machine.

Would they also be giving you permission to upload a trojan without their knowledge! If you invited someone into your home who then robbed you, are they less guilty of the offense

There's someone who also does this in the UK with a large amount of views and subscribers who hasn't gotten into any legal issues.

Just because S/he has had no legal issues yet, doesn't mean that something won't happen or that this person is not already being watched... Subscribers also sounds like this person is profiting in some way out of this exercise, another level of complexity should S/he face consequences.

Anyway, some things for you to think about.... Maybe you should just call the police & ask to speak to someone in the fraud or cyber crime division & run your idea past them. Get back to us with their response.

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