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  Quote knanja Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Punitive fines for late vehicle registration
    Posted: 01/November/2017 at 19:47
The government gets up in arms when banks charge $30 for late payment on credit cards, yet the penalty for driving an unregistered vehicle is $659 .... !   

Is it not punitive that the fine for late payment of vehicle registration is effectively 150% of the registration fee?

I realise that the fine is technically for driving an unregistered vehicle, but let's be honest, it's really a late payment fee. It's quite easy to forget to pay this on time .... most creditors are courteous enough to send reminder notices when payment is overdue. It's not as if you vehicle is safe to drive one day and dangerous the next ... it's really just about a revenue raising ... the penalty to me seems outrageous, excessive, and overly punitive.

As I suggested in my opening remark, if this was a commercial matter there would be a case that such fees are in violation of common law - is it really justifiable for the government to dress this up as reasonable because it is a criminal offence? I suppose there is a legal entitlement but surely it is morally hypocritical.

Would it hurt the government to be a little lenient, or even send out reminder notices that registration is overdue (or preemptively, due imminently)? Especially when it is quite possible for the only notice that is sent to not come to the attention of the vehicle owner, and we no longer have registration stickers. (In my case I knew rego was due and carried out inspections and paid insurance, but forgot to pay the registration, and was booked after a week overdue.)

Are there no grounds to request leniency, or object to the punitive scale of the penalty being out of line with the infraction or consequneces?


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  Quote citizen181 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02/November/2017 at 00:12
Generally speaking the answer would be no, however you can follow the listed procedure on the back of the infringements, you would normally have two, one for unregistered and a second for uninsured, same amount for each, lucky you paid the insurance, and seek lenience, but experience would make that a difficult road to pursue, and you may have to take it to court for some reasonable justice, perhaps a Section 10, seeing as you had started the registration process, though there are no guarantees

An a point of clarification, as you have indicated you are well aware, the penalty is for driving a unregistered vehicle, it is not a punitive late payment penalty. The RMS do give adequate warnings of pending registration requirements, including text messages, if you are registered on their site, go online and acquaint yourself.

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  Quote emca01 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/November/2017 at 10:00
I'm in NSW... Somehow they have gotten their hands on an email address. I suppose I gave it to them... They send email and text message reminders.

EXAMPLE - Back in the day... you don't return the dvd on time, they fine you for an additional days use. They are not out of pocket..
But with a car... You have an accident. Your insurance policy may be void, they will find any excuse not to pay.. So even if the accident is not your fault, it causes problems. Hence heavy fines to make sure you pay on time... It isn't just about the registration, it is about the whole process of care insurance.

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  Quote knanja Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/November/2017 at 10:53
As far as email goes, I must not be signed up for that. And to continue the xogy with banks; banks don't remove you from paper mail until you explicitly acknowledged you are willing to receive email communications instead.
As far as third party insurance not being valid; that is my risk to take, why should the government fine me for perceived mismanagement of my own financial affairs (risk-wise, I've never had a claim against me in over 3 decades of driving).
I suppose I should be arguing why they can mandate I have CTP insurance in the first place. Which I won't, I agree CTP is a reasonable pre-condition for being on the roads - my argument is with the lack of courtesy and reminders in the process, and the excessive amounts of the fine in relation to the sums and risk involved.

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  Quote citizen-joe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/November/2017 at 17:14
The answer is simple, pay on time. Adults are supposed to be able to make adult decisions. One of them is to pay their bills on time. The arguments you use could be used by anyone else such that we could arrive at a situation that there are no properly registered cars on the roads.

I have installed a calendar program on my computer that pops up every time I switch it on, to remind me of anything I need to do that week. Why not do something similar on your computer or smart phone. It will save you money and help keep your blood pressure in check.

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  Quote knanja Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/November/2017 at 22:06
Bully for you Citizen Joe, congratulations for never making a mistake.
I'm not saying we shouldn't have fines; I'm saying they are out of line with the severity of the offence, and that a reminder as is common in almost every other commercial transaction would be courtesy. And that it is hypocrisy for governments to criticise banks for gouging on "penalty" fees when their amounts are trivial compared to what government agencies charge for penalties.

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  Quote citizen-joe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09/November/2017 at 03:13
Originally posted by knanja

Bully for you Citizen Joe, congratulations for never making a mistake.

Never said that, I have made mistakes and the method I used is one to try and avoid making more.

It would be lovely if the penalty was lower and we all received a reminder, unfortunate there are many who would never pay on time and only wait till the reminder came. Reminders cost money to generate and process, so the costs would increase for all of us.

If the fine was smaller some people would continue not paying on time, and not look for methods to help them remember.

Sorry you are out of pocket on this.

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  Quote emca01 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09/November/2017 at 10:56
you have a crash. It need not even be your fault.... a kid is put into a wheelchair for life. You don't have insurance that is valid because your rego isn't paid. You become the at fault driver because your car was not lawful...

So can you see why the fines for unregistered vehicle is so high... It is to motivate people to pay on time so such a scenario doesn't happen.

Years back I had someone hit my parked car. Drunk, unlicenced, unregistered the lot... He copped heaps of fines probably about the same amount of fines as it cost me to get the repairs done on my car BUT I had to pay for those.

So you wrote "As far as third party insurance not being valid; that is my risk to take" NO IT IS NOT. We are the third party.... NOT YOU. I am entitled to be confident that if you prang into me you have insurance to cover my expenses. If you cause an accident and I am unable to work you will walk away. You will not put your hand in your pocket to cover my extensive life changing imparement that is not a risk you are entitled to take at my expense.

For what it is worth, I reckon a graduated approach would seem reasonable... Late by a week = a smaller fine than late by a month... But the problem is with the insurance, car not registered = car not insured... So my graduated approach doesn't work...

So I have 2 more issues with you. $690 I reckon is a fair deterrent / motivator to make sure you pay rego on time. Bet you won't make this mistake again? so it has worked.
Next- mate cop cars are bloody smart these days. They have done away with rego stickers because the police officer doesn't need to see the sticker, his car will have already told him if you're registered... Now this is pretty common knowledge I'd have thought... So armed with this info the average punter would think... Hmm car not registered, police car is smart... Basically, this is one offence that you really should not even consider trying to get away with...
Nope one more...
I'm in NSW... once I get my green slip, I can do insurance and rego on-line without even walking into the RTA... So it isn't even one of those things where back in the day I'd have to take a half day off work to line up at the RTA to get it done...
rant over

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